Minutes:
WESTMINSTER CITY COUNCIL LICENSING SUB-COMMITTEE NO.3
(“The Committee”)
Thursday 23 February 2023
Membership: Councillor Robert Eagleton (Chair) Councillor Concia Albert and Councillor Melvyn Caplan
Officer Support: Legal Advisers: Viviene Walker and Heidi Titcombe (Principal Solicitor)
Committee Officer: Jack Robinson-Young
Presenting Officer: Emanuela Meloyan
Application for a Review of Premises Licence in respect of Simmons, 11 Woodstock Street, London, W1C 2AE (“the Premises) 22/11955/LIREVP
FULL DECISION
Applicants for the Review
Mr Marco Toschetti
and Mr Federico Bixio represented by Mr
Richard Brown of Citizens Advice Westminster. Both Applicants attended the hearing, but Mr
Bixio attended virtually.
Premises Licence Holder (“PLH”)
Simmons Covent Garden Limited represented by Mr Gary Grant of
Counsel. He was accompanied by Mr James
Daglish and Mr Niall McCann (Keystone Law), Mr Nick Campbell, Chief
Executive and founder of the Applicant Company and Mr Richard
Vivian of Big Sky Acoustics.
Other Parties Present at the hearing
Mr Ian Watson of the Environmental Health Service, who was
accompanied by Mr Martin Tuohy and Mr Dave Nevitt of the
Council.
Current Licensable Activities and Hours on the Premises Licence are as follows:
LateNight Refreshment
Mondayto Sunday: 23:00to 00:30
Non-standardTimings: New Year'sEve until01:30
Saleby Retailof Alcohol (both on and off the Premises)
Mondayto Saturday: 10:00to 00:00
Sunday: 12:00to 23:30
Sundaysbefore BankHolidays: 12:00to 00:00
Non-standardTimings:
NewYear's
Eveuntil 01:30
Opening Hours
Monday to Saturday:
10:00 to 00:30
Sunday: 12:00 to 00:30
Summary of Application
1.
This is an application for a Review of the Premises
Licence of the premises known as Simmons, situate at 11 Woodstock
Street, London, W1C 2AE (“the Premises”) under the
Licensing Act 2003 (“The Act”). The Review was requested by two local
residents on the grounds that the Premises are undermining the
Prevention of Public Nuisance licensing objective as music and
vibrations was escaping into their homes from the
Premises. Noise was also being created
by customers outside the Premises.
2.
Mr Richard Brown confirmed the Applicants were
asking the Committee:-
(i) to remove the deregulation
exemption provided under Section 177A of the Act so that,
(2) any existing conditions on the Licence in relation to the
playing of music shall have legal effect and,
(3) to add five additional conditions on the Licence and to amend
conditions 12 (noise/vibration)[1] and 28[2] (noise limiter) of the
existing Licence to address the concerns raised in the
review.
3.
S.177A of the Act provides that the playing of
recorded music between the hours of 08:00 and 23:00 is not regarded
as a “licensable activity” where patrons are limited to
500 persons. Consequently, this
Premises were able to play recorded music without having specific
permission to play recorded music on their Licence. If they wanted to play recorded music outside
these hours, they would need permission to do so.
4.
The Premises operate as a cocktail bar and are
situated within the West End Ward but are not located in the West
End Cumulative Impact Zone. There is a resident count of 21 within
the vicinity. The Premises have the
benefit of a Premises Licence under reference number
22/11866/LIPVM.
Representations Received
5.
The Review application was supported by Mr Ian
Watson of the Environmental Health Service and two local residents
on the grounds of the prevention of public nuisance.
Preliminary
Matters
6.
At the start of the hearing the Chair introduced the
Members of the Committee, identified the parties attending the
hearing who wished to speak and outlined the procedure for the
hearing. No declarations of interest
were made and all parties in attendance were given ample time to
present their submissions.
7.
The Chair noted that the committee report and the
large Additional Information Pack which had been submitted on
behalf of the PLH.
8.
The Chair confirmed that the Committee had
considered all the written evidence.
Adjournment Request
– preliminary issue
9.
Before the review hearing started
Mr Grant, on behalf of the PLH requested an
adjournment of the review so that it could be dealt with at the
same time as the pending variation application which has been made
by the PLH in February 2023. The
variation application is seeking to add permission to play recorded
music to the Licence as a licensable activity.
10.Mr Grant explained that the
Premises can currently play recorded music under the exemption
provided by Section 177A of the Licensing Act 2003 (the
“Act”). As the Applicants
and the Environmental Health Service are requesting the exemption
be removed, and if the Committee were minded to
agree to this request, this would mean that the Premises
could not play recorded music on the Premises, apart from
background music. As the Premises
play music as part of its business model it would
not be viable. The
Premises would have to close, and this would lead to the loss of 15
jobs.Mr Grant explained that the PLH will ensure that residents
will not be disturbed by noise escaping into their homes if the
review hearing is delayed for a short while so that it can be heard
with the variation application.
He submitted that the
adjournment request was not designed to delay the time for
residents to find some relief from noise being experienced, but
rather to enable the Council to enforce the conditions requested by
the Applicants and the Environmental Health Service.
11.Mr Grant explained that should
an adjournment not be allowed, then the PLH would be forced to
lodge an appeal in order to maintain the viability of the business
and to avoid job losses.
12.The request for the adjournment
was opposed by the Applicants and the Environmental Health Service
on the basis that the residents have been suffering from public
nuisance as a result of music and vibrations escaping through the
structure of the Premises into their homes. Residents have been impacted by this noise
virtually on a daily basis since November 2022. At times the noise has been so bad that it not
only constituted a public nuisance but also amounted to a statutory
nuisance, resulting in the service of a Noise Abatement
Notice. This review was requested on 15
December 2022, the nuisance created was serious and it was
important that the review should be determined as quickly as
possible so that the Committee could take steps to prevent noise
escaping into residents’ homes, if they accept the concerns
raised.
13.Mr Ian Watson from Environmental
Health Service stated that the review should be heard today, as any
delay could negatively affect the wellbeing of
residents. He informed the Committee
that there were four complaints made since the noise limiter had
been installed in January 2023. Mr
Watson stated that historically, the Premises were a pub which
played incidental background music. The
problem is the new owners are not playing low level music as the
Premises are now a disco bar. He also
confirmed that residents had never raised noise complaints about
the previous venue, but this was obviously a different venue
operating in a different way.
Decision on
adjournment request
14.The Committee carefully
considered the representations made on behalf of the PLH and the
Applicants and other Parties supporting the review. The Committee recognised that they had the power
to adjourn the review to another date under Regulation 11[3] if they considered it was in
the “public interest” to do so. However, the review was requested on 15 December
2022 and the PLH had plenty of notice in the application that the
Applicants were seeking the removal of the deregulation provision
in Section 177A of the Act and yet the variation application was
not made until almost two months later in February
2023. Moreover, the Applicants allege
that they have been suffering nuisance caused by music escaping
into their homes since November 2022, when the Premises
opened. A noise limiter was set by the
PLH in January 2023 but there have been four complaints since that
time. The Committee therefore concluded
that it would not be in the public interest to delay the review
hearing as it is important that the serious issues raised in this
review are considered and, if the Committee concludes that steps
should be taken to address the issues, such steps need to be taken
as quickly as possible to bring the nuisance to an end. Furthermore, any Decision the Committee makes does
not come into effect until 21 days after the Decision has had been
served, and if appealed, until the outcome of any appeal, so there
is likely to be a short period before the variation application is
either granted or, if there are representations, determined by the
Committee.
15.The Committee also noted that
the review application had been requested on 15 December 2022, and
the variation application had
not been requested until February 2023 and the latter application
would need to follow the usual consultation process. If any representations are made to that
application, it may not be determined for some
time.
16.
In the circumstances, the Committee agreed with the
submissions made by the Applicants and the Environmental Health
Service and refused the application for an adjournment.
The Review Application
17.
The review hearing proceeded and Ms Meloyan, Senior
Licensing Officer, outlined the basis for the review.
Submissions by the Applicants
18.
Mr Brown advised that this review has been requested
by two residents who live above and adjacent to the Premises
primarily because they are being disturbed by music and vibration
escaping from the Premises into their homes during the day and
night. The music escape mainly affects
three residential flats in the same block. There has also been some nuisance caused by
the dispersal of customers from the Premises and this reflects the
conditions being requested.
19.
Mr Brown confirmed that the Applicants are seeking:
-
(1) to remove the exemption in Section 177A of the Act, which
effectively allows music to be played between the hours of 08:00
and 23:00 each day. He confirmed that
the exemption can only be removed on a review application;
and
(2) that any conditions on the existing licence relating to the
playing of music become enforceable; and
(3) that five additional conditions are added to the Licence and
conditions 12 and 28 of the existing Licence are amended to
minimise the noise created by the playing of music and the
dispersal of customers to promote the prevention of public nuisance
licensing objective.
20.
Mr Brown explained that
the Applicants for the review have lived in the building above the
licensed Premises for ten and twelve years
respectively. They had not had any
issues with the previous Operator, who operated the premises as a
bistro pub with background music. The
noise and nuisance problems started when the current PLH took over
the Premises which is operated as a disco bar with
music. Mr Brown advised that the list
of complaints in the application[4] demonstrates that the
Applicants have had to suffer from loud music escaping into their
homes from the first day of operation, on 9 November 2022 when
there was a soft opening of the Premises. On this occasion, Mr Bixio went down and spoke to the management, but
his complaint was not addressed proactively as the Operator
indicated they were entitled to play music.
21.
Music also escaped into the residential flats on 10
November 2022 (the official opening of the Premises) which resulted
in the Applicants complaining on no less than three occasions on
the same day. The nuisance caused was
witnessed by Council Officers, who considered the music played on
two occasions was so loud that they regarded the noise caused a
“statutory nuisance”, which is a much higher threshold
than the one required under the Act.
22.
Mr Bixio attended the hearing virtually and apologised
for not being able to attend in person.
Mr Bixio wrote to the PLH and the
Council on 15 November 2022 asking for the issues raised to be
addressed. The PLH advised that an
acoustic consultant was being engaged to assess where the music was
escaping from. However, music continued to escape into the
Applicants’ homes and the music was so loud that between 9
and 22 November 2022, the Applicants had to complain on eight
occasions in less than a month. The
loud music could clearly be heard in the Applicants’ homes,
and this impacted on their ability to sleep and to generally enjoy
their own homes.
23.
On 22 November 2022 the
Applicants and Council Officers met the PLH’s sound
technician in Flat 1 of the building in an attempt to assess the
right level of music which could be played without causing a
nuisance. However, no actual level was
set on that occasion as the Parties could not agree on the level,
as the PLH’s consultant considered the level suggested by the
Applicants and the Environmental Health Service was too low to
enable the business to be viable.
24.
Between 24 November 2022 and 12 December 2022, the
Applicants had to complain a further ten times. In fact, the music was considered to be so loud
that on 28 November 2022 a Noise Abatement Notice was served by the
Council. However, as the PLH failed to
address the noise issues being sustained the Applicants felt they
had no alternative, and they issued the review application on 15
December 2022. Mr Brown referred the
Committee to the chronology of complaints on pages 56 to 58 of the
committee papers.
25.
A meeting was subsequently held in Mr Bixio’s flat on 12 January 2023 with the
PLH’s acoustic consultant and Council Officers to set the
noise limiter so that music could be played without disturbing the
residents. At the time Mr Bixio felt
the noise limiter should have been set in the evening when ambient
noise levels were quieter, as opposed to during the day when there
was other noise being created in the street, especially the noise
created by the nearby construction works taking place. Despite Mr Bixio’s concerns the testing did take place
during the day and the noise limiter was set. However, music has continued to escape into the
Applicants’ homes on four occasions since that
time. Since the Premises opened, Mr
Bixio stated that there had been
numerous disturbances of music escape.
26.
Mr Bixio advised that he
was also the building manager and was representing others as well
as himself. He stated that previous noise complaints had been made
about the construction works being done before venue opened. Mr
Bixio also explained that he was away
over the Christmas period, and this is why there were no complaints
from him during this period. He returned for the New Year, and the
music was being played so loud that he was able to identify the
track being played.
27.
Mr Bixio said he had
been cooperative with the PLH and the Council in allowing tests to
be carried out in his flat and he was not sure what else he could
have done. He had spoken to the manager
about the noise being experienced but he found the response from
management to be less than what is expected of a good
operator.
28.
Mr Toschetti, the second
Applicant, stated that prior to the Simmons opening they had not
experienced any disturbance despite having other venues open in the
area. He stated that the previous bistro pub had not caused any
noise issues. However, the music being played under the new
management was at a level that was not able to be drowned out and
was not something that could possibly go unnoticed when trying to
sleep.
29.
The Committee noted that Mr Toschetti described the music as being "audible" in
his home. Mr Toschetti explained that sometimes this simply
meant the bass could be heard and on other occasions the actual
lyrics could be heard but he could not generally hear customers
speaking in the Premises. The Committee asked what the relationship
was like with those who ran the Premises and Mr Toschetti stated the management had been dismissive
about their complaints. Mr Toschetti explained that the bedrooms in the
building had been placed at the back to avoid noise from Oxford
Street, and yet noise was being heard because of the Premises
below. Mr Toschetti confirmed that on
occasions he had asked customers to be quiet in the
street.
30.
Mr Brown confirmed that the evidence showed there
has been serious issues of noise escaping into the
Applicants’ homes which has prevented them from sleeping and
generally from enjoying their own homes. This music escape amounted to a public nuisance
which undermined the prevention of public nuisance licensing
objective. Indeed, the noise has been
so bad that Council Officers had independently witnessed the
nuisance being caused and concluded that the noise was so loud on
four occasions on 10th, 12th, 17th
and 26th November 2022, that it not only constituted a public
nuisance under the Act but also a Statutory Nuisance under the
Environmental Protection Act 1990 which led to a Noise Abatement
Notice being served on 28 November 2022.
31.
Mr Brown asked the Committee to remove the exemption
afforded in Section 177A of the Act, so that the music being played
is regarded as a licensable activity and the PLH will be obliged to
comply with all relevant conditions on the existing licence to
prevent public nuisance being caused as a result of the playing of
music. Further, Mr Brown asked for some
conditions to be amended and for a number of additional conditions
to the attached to the licence in order to mitigate the noise
coming from within the Premises, including: -
- to amend the existing noise limiter condition[5] so it is consistent with
MC11. The Applicants also wanted to
make a small amendment to MC11 so that the noise limiter should be
set in conjunction with affected residents;[6]
- to remove condition 12 of the existing licence and replace it
with MC12 to prevent the noise associated with plant causing a
nuisance;[7]
- to add a condition that loudspeakers should not be located near
the doors (MC13);[8]
- to add a condition that all external windows and doors shall be
closed when regulated entertainment takes place (amended MC
14).[9]
32.
Mr Grant confirmed
during the hearing that the PLH does not agree to the exemption
being removed but they agreed to all the other conditions proposed
by the Applicants apart from the amendment to MC11. Mr Grant also confirmed that the PLH would comply
with all these conditions even if the exemption were not removed as
they do not want residents to suffer from any nuisance. The PLH was prepared to provide an Undertaking to
this effect, even though it was understood that
“undertakings” are not technically
enforceable. However, Mr Grant
emphasied that it was in the
PLH’s interests to ensure nuisance was not caused.
33.
Mr Brown also asked for three additional conditions
to attached to the licence to address dispersal issues,
namely:
- MC26 to control queuing customers[10];
- MC71 to control smokers and drinkers
outside the Premises[11];
- Amended MC99 requiring a dispersal policy[12].
Again, Mr Grant confirmed these conditions were agreed by the PLH
and they would undertake to comply with these conditions even if
the exemption were not removed.
34.
Mr Brown confirmed that it was essential to remove
the exemption under Section 177A of the Act so that all the
relevant conditions attached to the licence in relation to the
playing of music could be enforced. He
explained that this could only be done on a review. Mr Brown also explained that the additional
conditions requested were needed in order to promote the licensing
objectives. In relation to the noise
limiter Mr Brown confirmed that the informal discussions in
November 2022, did not help to alleviate any noise escape from the
Premises. The setting of the limiter helped in January, but because
it was tested during the day, the Applicants have concerns as to
whether this will prevent noise escape during the evening.
Submissions of the Environmental Health Service
35.
Mr Ian Watson of Environmental Health Service
addressed the Committee and introduced Mr Martin Tuohy and Mr Dave
Nevitt, who were both Environmental Health Officers who visited the
premises to consider the issues being raised. Mr Tuohy explained that he had numerous meetings
and discussions with the PLH and the management of the Premises,
particularly regarding the Noise Abatement Notice which had been
served. Mr Nevitt was involved in
setting the noise limiter. Mr Watson explained that it was not
appropriate in November 2022 to set a formal limit to the limiter
because there was no condition on the licence, and it could not be
enforced until such time as the exemption was removed. Mr Watson stated that it was difficult to
explain as to how the music had been escaping into the residential
homes after the limiter was set in January 2023.
36.
Mr Tuohy explained that his job was to investigate
whether an Abatement Notice was necessary. In November 2022, there were four occasions
when the noise was so bad that it was regarded as a statutory
nuisance, and this led to the Noise Abatement Notice being served
on 28 November 2022. Mr Tuohy
stated that on one visit to the venue the Duty Manager informed him
that music was being played at 70% of the limiter volume, and when
he went back inside the building, he could not hear any noise. Mr
Tuohy stated that he then went back downstairs and turned the
volume up and down sporadically before re-entering the building and
asked the resident if they had heard anything to which they
replied, “no”. The resident
had not heard this noise despite the limiter being turned up to
100% at one stage.
37.
Mr Nevitt explained that they met Mr Bixio to set the timer on 12 January 2023 on the
first floor of the building. The living
room was towards the front of the building, but the rear bedroom is
the nearest room to Simmons so it would be more sensitive to noise.
Mr Nevitt recognised that the noise from Simmons travels through
the internal structure of the building.
On the day in question Mr Nevitt also identified a number of other
external noise sources such as from the construction works near
Oxford Circus, to the occasional rumble of tube trains, and noise
from air conditioning units on nearby buildings. Mr Nevitt advised occasionally the sound of
furniture being moved around from the restaurant below could be
heard. During the gaps
between these noise sources, Mr Nevitt confirmed the flat was very
quiet. Mr Nevitt and Mr Bixio were able to agree a level setting for the
limiter and he also asked the Premises to “trim” back
some of the tracks to reduce the individual bass sound from certain
tracks. Mr Nevitt was satisfied that it was appropriate to set the
limiter during the morning, rather than in the evening because the
noise complained of emanated from the internal parts of the
building as opposed to the external areas.
38.
Mr Nevitt explained that Mr Bixio wanted the noise to be
“inaudible”, but this was not the benchmark from a
licensing point of view. The question
was whether any “unreasonable” noise could be
heard. Once the limiter was set at the
agreed level Mr Nevitt concluded that no unreasonable noise could
be heard from Simmons in this flat. Mr
Nevitt described how he had put his ear to the wall, and he could
not hear any music. Mr Nevitt accepted
that they had not yet been able to assess the noise from flat 1 and
the level may need altering if it were to transpire that the noise
level is too high. Mr Watson advised
that since 12 January 2023 Environmental Health have not witnessed
any “statutory” nuisance simply because we have not had
access to the flats. It should be
recognised that in licensing terms noise does not need to be a
statutory nuisance to undermine the public nuisance licensing
objective.
39.
The Committee asked whether there had been any noise
complaints since the noise limiter was installed in January
2023. Mr Watson stated that there were
four complaints, but Officers were unable to visit at the time to
investigate. Mr Brown advised that a
new resident was living in one of the flats and they were
unfamiliar with the process for logging complaints.
Submissions of the PLH
40.
Mr Gary Grant acknowledged that the PLH does not
want to be causing a nuisance to its residents and this is why the
PLH has agreed to attach conditions to the licence to address the
concerns raised. Three of the agreed
conditions relate to controlling the outside area, namely, MC26
(ensuring orderly queuing); MC71 (controlling smokers and drinkers
outside the Premises) and amended MC99 (devising a dispersal policy
to ensure patrons leave quietly). The
PLH also agreed to add MC13 (so that loudspeakers are not located
at the entrance or exits) and an amended version of MC14 to keep
windows and external doors closed when music is being
played). The PLH also
importantly agreed that a noise limiter condition should be amended
in line with MC11. The PLH was unable
to agree that the noise limiter should be set at a level in
conjunction with affected residents as that was too open ended, but
they would agree the level with the Environmental Health Service,
who would take into account the views of
residents when setting the level. The
PLH also agreed to replace condition 12 of the existing licence
with MC12 (noise of plant) as this was more appropriate.
41.
Mr Grant submitted that imposing the above
conditions should address the concerns raised in the review about
noise escaping into the Applicants’ homes and any noise in
the external area. Mr Grant does
not consider it is necessary or appropriate for the Committee to
remove the exemption provided in Section 177A of the
Act. However, the Council’s Legal
Adviser pointed out that as the playing of recorded music would not
be regarded as a licensable activity before 23:00 hours, the
conditions being offered relating the playing of music,
particularly the noise limiter condition (MC11) and conditions MC13
and MC14 would not be enforceable by the Licensing Authority as a
matter of law. Mr Grant
recognised this issue and confirmed that the PLH would provide an
Undertaking to comply with all the conditions imposed on the
licence, including MC11, MC13 and MC14 immediately, despite the
legal issue because the PLH is keen to ensure that the residents
are not suffering from any noise escape into their
homes. The legal Adviser to the
Committee pointed out that Undertakings are similarly not
enforceable, but Mr Grant confirmed the PLH would comply with all
the conditions on the licence.
42.
Mr Grant stated it was not necessary to remove the
S177A exemption because the complaints about noise has reduced
since the noise limiter was set on 12 January 2023 and in his
submission, this demonstrates that public nuisance is not taking
place. He also referred the Committee
to the Council Officer’s observations that he was not able to
hear any noise in one of the flats, despite the volume being turned
up to 100% on the noise limiter. He
confirmed that there had been no changes to the levels set since 12
January 2023. Mr Richard Vivan, the PLH’s Acoustics Expert, also
confirmed that he had not changed the limiter. Mr Grant indicated
that if the Applicants have been disturbed by noise since the
limiter level was set in January, then it is likely that that noise
was coming from another premises.
43.
Mr Grant stated that it was probable there were
issues initially of noise escape into the Applicants’ homes
and he apologised for this. He said the
Manager at the time could have done more to address these issues
but pointed to the timeline presented to the Committee. Mr Grant explained that Mr Nick Campbell, the
Premises Licence Holder has seven bars within Westminster and of
those, five are located under residential premises. A few of the bars have had noise issues but
none have been subject to a licence review. Mr Grant acknowledged
that when the premises were opened some machinery in the ceiling
needed to be removed, and upon Mr Vivian’s recommendation, Mr
Campbell had the ceiling insulated which benefitted the residents
above. He advised that in January 2023, Westminster Councils
Environmental Health Officers set a limiter at an appropriate level
alongside a noise log that was taken by staff at Simmons which can
be made available to the Committee. Referring to Mr Bixio’s complaint that he could identify the
particular track being played on one occasion at 11:45 p.m.,
however, on that night the music had been turned down at 11:00 p.m.
to their minimum level. Mr Grant
submitted that the noise Mr Bixio heard
was emanating from somewhere else. He said residents had asked for
inaudibility, but this was not only subjective but was an
unrealistic proposition.
44.
The Committee referred Mr Grant to the email dated
25 November 2022 on page 99 of the Additional Information Pack from
Mr Campbell, the CEO and founder of Simmons bars to Council’s
Officers who were trying to resolve the noise, which was being
created, some of which had been witnessed as being a statutory
nuisance. Instead of trying to resolve
the issues raised Mr Campbell was making certain unfavourable
allegations about the complainant. Mr
Grant accepted that the wording of the email was not conducive to a
positive relationship with the residents concerned. Mr Grant said
he had spoken to Mr Campbell, who regretted his choice of words. Mr
Campbell then addressed the Committee, who unequivocally confirmed
that even if the proposed conditions were not legally enforceable,
he would still ensure they were complied with. He said that there
was no benefit in playing music that makes noise to the point that
it disturbs residents.
45.
The Principal Solicitor raised a further point that
if the Committee were minded not to remove the deregulation
exemption at this stage and the Committee were to rely on the
Undertaking provided by the PLH that they would comply with the
noise limiter and other conditions mentioned and it were to
materialise that music continues to escape into the residents
homes, the residents could not bring another review for another year as recommended in the
Guidance.[13] Mr Grant replied that this
was “guidance only” and the residents could
theoretically issue another review within a year. Moreover, Mr
Grant confirmed that the PLH would not object to the residents
issuing a further review within a year if they were suffering
nuisance and he was happy for this to be stated in this
Decision.
46.
In summing up, Mr Grant stated that he hoped the
Sub-Committee would accept the
Undertaking from the PLH that they would comply with all of the
conditions proposed to be attached to the licence today and any
existing conditions on the licence which would address the noise
escape issues and the other issues raised by the Parties, without
removing the exemption in Section 177A of the Act.
47.
In summary up Mr Watson stated that he would support
the Applicants’ request for the S.177A exemption to the
removed to make all the conditions on and added to the licence in
relation to the playing of music legally enforceable, especially as
the sound level for the limiter had to be assessed with the
occupier of Flat 1.
48.
Mr Brown emphasied that
it was crucial for the S.177A exemption to be removed so that the
playing of music becomes a licensable activity. This will enable the Licensing Authority to
legally enforce all conditions on the existing licence and imposed
today to prevent the Applicants from suffering public
nuisance. In his view these steps would
be appropriate and proportionate in view of the clear public
nuisance which the Applicants have and are suffering. Nuisance which has been witnessed by several
independent Council Officers on several occasions since the
Premises opened on 9 November 2022. To
have so many complaints regarding one premises in such a short
space of time is very unusual. Mr Brown
did not consider it was sufficient to rely on the Undertaking of
the PLH.
49.
Mr Brown said that Mr Bixio is certain that the noise complained of came
from these licensed premises. On the
night when Mr Bixio could identify the
track being played, this occurred at 11:15 p.m. and not at 11:45
p.m as suggested by Mr Grant and Mr
Bixio was adamant it was coming from
the Premises because had the music been coming from a different
premises he would have been affected by the music in the living
room, whereas the track was heard in his bedroom, which is directly
adjacent to the wall of Simmons.
50.
Mr Toschetti also stated
that Noise Officers had witnessed the DJ playing music at an
inappropriate level after 11:00 p.m. The new resident at Flat 1,
had registered complaints about noise. Mr Bixio advised that the testing done in January
2023, took place during the day when the sound of heavy demolitions
was being done across the road and during this test, he had to
request that the music was played for longer because the
construction works noise was affecting the noise levels. Mr
Bixio was advised by the Environmental
Health Service to keep a log of any noise complaints rather than
having to ring the Council on each occasion as the Council was
already aware of the noise issues.
Full Reasons for the Determination of the Committee
51.In reaching its decision the
Committee has had regard to the relevant legislation, the Secretary
of State’s Guidance (“Guidance”) particularly in
relation to reviews and the Council’s Statement of Licensing
Policy (“SLP”).
52.The Committee considered the
Review application, the representations and submissions made by all
the Parties involved, verbally and in writing.
53.The Committee recognised that the proceedings set out in the Act for reviewing premises licences represent a key protection for the community when problems associated with the licensing objectives occur as in this case which primarily relates to the prevention of public nuisance licensing objective. (Paragraph 11.1 of the Guidance).
54.The Act provides the Licensing
Authority with a range of powers on determining a Review that it
may exercise where it considers them appropriate and proportionate
for the promotion of the licensing objectives. (Paragraph 11.16 of
the Guidance).
55.“In deciding which of
these powers to invoke, the Licensing Authority should so far as
possible, seek to establish the cause or causes of the concerns
which the representations identify. The remedial action taken
should generally be directed at these causes and should always be
no more than an appropriate and proportionate
response”. (Paragraph 11.20 of
the Guidance). Each case has to be
determined on its own merits, on the balance of
probabilities.
56.The Committee notes paragraph
9.43 of the Guidance which states
“The authority’s determination should be
evidence-based, justified as being appropriate for the promotion of
the licensing objectives and proportionate to what it is intended
to achieve.’’
57.In summary, the Committee
concluded that the Applicants were right to make the application
for a review in December 2022, because there was clear evidence
that they were being disturbed by noise and nuisance, particularly,
the sound of music and vibrations escaping from the Premises into
their homes from the day the PLH had a soft opening of the Premises
on 9 November 2022. The Premises opened
formally on 10 November 2022 and the Committee accepted the
evidence produced by the Applicants that between 9 November and the
hearing of the review on 12 January 2023, the Applicants were being
disturbed by the music noise escaping from the Premises on no less
than twenty-two occasions. The
Chronology of complaints demonstrated that the noise and nuisance
was occurring during the day, in the evening and late at night. The
Committee accepted that this amounted to serious nuisance which is
contrary to the prevention of public nuisance licensing
objective.
58.The Committee recognised that
the review was supported by the Environmental Health Service, who
regarded the number of complaints received in this relatively short
space of time very unusual.
59.Many of the complaints made by
the Applicants were witnessed by Council Officers and who
considered the noise escaping into the residential flats above the
Premises was so bad that they concluded the noise was not only a
“public nuisance” under the Act but they concluded that
it amounted to a statutory nuisance on four occasions on
10th, 17th, 22nd and
26th November 2022, which led the Council to serve a
Noise Abatement Notice on 28 November 2022, within a month of the
Premises opening. On 10 November 2022,
the Applicants had to contact the Council on three occasions in one
night which was unacceptable.[14] Mr Watson confirmed in his
evidence that at 18:13 that the music was so loud that it
reverberated through the party wall of all three flats above the
Premises. Complaints were made at 21:08 and at 23:00 hours and this
was unacceptable.
60.Under the Licensing Act a lower
threshold of nuisance has to be established in order for the
Committee to take steps to address the noise being created, and
based on the evidence received, the Committee had no doubt that
residents above and adjacent to the Premises were being disturbed
by the music being played, in the Premises. The Committee accepted that on occasions the music
was so loud that one or more of the Applicants could clearly
identify the tracks being played as the music was travelling
through the structure of the building.
This was unacceptable and contrary to the prevention of public
nuisance licensing objective.
61.The Committee recognised that
the two Applicants had lived in their homes for 10 and 12 years
respectively and they had never had a problem with the previous
licensed premises which was operated as a bistro pub which played
background music. This Premises
however, operate differently as a disco bar which plays
music. The Committee recognised that
the PLH did not dispute that music had been escaping into the
residential homes in November and December 2022.
62.The Committee noted there was
some attempt on 22 November 2022, to set a noise limiter at an
appropriate level. However, there was
disagreement as to what should be the appropriate
level. The Applicants and the
Environmental Health Service wanted a lower level, whereas the PLH
felt the lower level was unacceptable as it would make the business
unviable. Consequently, no level was
set, and the Applicants continued to be disturbed by the noise
escape from the property.
63.The Committee recognised that
the Premises were entitled to play recorded music between the hours
of 08:00 and 23:00 hours (subject to the limitation of their
opening hours) as the playing of music was not regarded as
“regulated entertainment” under Section 177A of the Act
(deregulation provision). However, the
Committee concluded that the PLH still had an obligation to ensure
that the licensing objectives were being promoted and this meant
the operation of their business must not undermine the prevention
of public nuisance licensing objective so music should have been
played at an appropriate level that did not disturb residents or
cause a nuisance.
64.The Applicants had contacted the
PLH to ask them to rectify the nuisance, but the Committee decided
that the PLH’s initial response to the complaints from the
residents was unhelpful and failed to resolve the nuisance being
suffered. The Committee would have expected an experienced and
responsible operator to have adopted a more proactive approach with
local residents in trying to prevent music escaping into
residents’ homes, especially having regard to the fact that
these problems started almost immediately the Premises had
opened. The Committee felt that early
intervention was key to resolving the very real noise and nuisance
problems being experienced and as this was not done, this
inevitably led to the application for the review.
65.The Committee therefore
concluded that the management’s handling of the situation
could have been dealt with better as this might have dispelled the
perception that the Premises were being somewhat dismissive of the
residents’ concerns as indicated by an email from Mr Nick
Campbell, the CEO of Simmons at page 99 of the Additional
Information Pack. If the PLH had acted sooner and fostered a good
relationship with local residents this might have prevented matters
from escalating and the licence from being reviewed. Clearly, the
noise and nuisance created did not promote the prevention of public
nuisance licensing objective.
66.The Committee noted that the
Officers of the Environmental Health Service and other Officers of
the Council had made every effort to work with the PLH and those
residents affected to help to resolve the nuisance being
caused.
67.The Committee noted that it was
not until 12 January 2023, that the PLH agreed to a noise limiter
being set at a level which now appears to have resolved the noise
escaping into two of the residential properties
affected. The Committee also recognised
that further tests are required, particularly, in relation to Flat
1. However, that being said the Committee expects the PLH to work
closely with Council Officers and residents in order to prevent
noise and nuisance escaping into the residential flats
affected. The Committee concluded that
it was appropriate and proportionate for all the proposed
conditions which have been agreed by the PLH (as specified in
paragraphs 31 to 33 of this Decision) to be attached to the Licence
to ensure that the issues raised are addressed and to promote the
prevention of public nuisance licensing objective. The Committee amended the existing noise limiter
condition (28), so it is consistent with MC11 as shown in paragraph
24 of the Conditions Schedule. The Committee did not consider it
was appropriate to add the words “in conjunction with
affected residents” after the words “to the
satisfaction of the authorised Environmental Health Officer in (a)
as this was too wide and the latter Officer would liaise with
affected residents when setting the level.
68.With regard to the removal of
the exemption, this was a difficult case. The Committee was very
tempted to remove the exemption under Section 177A of the Licensing
Act in relation to the playing of music, as there was clear and
corroborated evidence that the Premises had been causing a public
nuisance contrary to the prevention of public nuisance licensing
objective up to 12 January 2023.
However, the Committee recognised that Environmental Health Officer
were not sure whether music was still escaping into some of the
flats after the noise limiter had been set on 12 January
2023. There was a question mark as to
whether the position had also been resolved in relation to flat 1
as Officers had not been able to assess the noise level from flat 1
and further tests need to be carried out. The Committee was also concerned that if the
Section 177A exemption was not disapplied then any conditions to
address the noise issues, including the noise limiter requirement
would not be legally enforceable.
However, the PLH provided an Undertaking during the hearing that
the Premises would still ensure all that the noise conditions
attached to the existing Licence, including all conditions proposed
and agreed at this hearing relating to the playing of deregulated
music (for example the noise limiter condition) would be complied
with even though they are not legally enforceable between 08:00 and
23:00 hours.
69.In light of the Undertaking
given by the PLH and the additional conditions attached to the
licence (as specified as conditions 24 to 30 of the Conditions
Schedule) the Committee concluded it would not be appropriate or
proportionate to remove the exemption under section 177A of the
Act, at this stage because there was insufficient evidence to show
that public nuisance was still occurring from 12 January 2023 and
removing the exemption might have an adverse financial impact on
the PLH.
70.However, the Committee wanted to
emphasise that should the PLH fail to comply with all the
conditions that have been imposed on the Premises Licence, (even
those relating to the playing of deregulated recorded or live
music) and if the residents continue to suffer public nuisance as a
result of noise escaping into their homes, then they would be
entitled to issue a further review of the licence, either
themselves or through the Environmental Health Service, despite the
Secretary of State’s Guidance suggesting that residents
cannot issue a review within 12 months of a review. Indeed, Mr Grant confirmed on behalf of the PLH,
that the PLH would not seek to challenge a further review being
issued by the local residents within 12 months of this
hearing.
71.The Committee concluded that it
is vital that the PLH complies with the noise limiter condition and
all the conditions added by this Committee (including conditions 24
to 30 of the Conditions Schedule below), as these are appropriate
and proportionate to address the issues raised in this review and
to promote the prevention of public nuisance licensing
objective.
72.Having carefully
considered the committee papers and the submissions made by all
parties, both orally and in writing, the Committee decided, after
taking into account the individual
circumstances of this application and the promotion of the four
licensing objectives:
1. To modify the
Conditions on the Premises Licence as follows:-
(1) to replace condition 12 of the existing licence with the
following condition[15]:-
“No noise generated on the premises or by its associated
plant or equipment shall emanate from the premises nor vibration be
transmitted through the structure of the premises which gives rise
to a nuisance”, as specified as in condition 25.
(2) to amend condition 28 of the existing Licence (noise limiter)
as shown in red in condition 24 of the Conditions Schedule below so
it complies with MC11.[16]
(3) to add conditions 26, 27, 28, 29 and 30 to the licence as
specified in the Conditions Schedule below.
2.That the varied Licence is subject to any relevant
mandatory conditions.
3.That the varied Licence is subject to the existing conditions of
the Licence (as specified as conditions 5 to 24 of the Conditions
Schedule below) and the additional and amended conditions imposed
on the Licence by the Committee (as specified as conditions 25 to
30 of the Conditions Schedule below), which are considered
appropriate and proportionate to promote the licensing
objectives.
4.That the Licence is subject to the Undertaking given by the
Premises Licence Holder that it they will comply with conditions
24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29 and 30 below throughout the period when the
Licence is in operation (as stated in the informative
below).
Conditions Schedule
(Note
the Mandatory Conditions will apply to the Licence in addition to
the following conditions)
A. Existing conditions on the Licence.
5. Substantial food and non-intoxicating beverages, including drinking water, shall be available in all parts of the premises where alcohol is sold or supplied for consumption on the premises
6. Waiter/waitress service shall be available throughout the premises
7. The number of persons permitted in the premises at any one time (including staff) shall not exceed 60 persons, with no more than 35 persons in the basement.
8. No noise
shall emanate from the premises nor vibration be transmitted
through the structure of the premises which gives rise to a
nuisance. Now replaced by
condition 25 below.
9. There shall be no sales of alcohol for consumption off the premises after 23.00
10. All sales of alcohol for consumption off the premises shall be in sealed containers only, and shall not be consumed on the premises
11. People drinking and/or smoking outside the premises shall be restricted to the private forecourt as defined on the attached plans.
12. All outside tables and chairs shall be rendered unusable by 23.00 each day
13. Notices shall be prominently displayed at all exits requesting patrons to respect the needs of local residents and businesses and leave the area quietly.
14. Notices shall be prominently displayed at any area used for smoking requesting patrons to respect the needs of local residents and use the area quietly
15. A challenge 25 proof of age scheme shall be operated at the premises where the only acceptable forms of identification are recognised photographic identification cards, such as a driving licence, passport, or proof of age card with the PASS Hologram.
16. All waste shall be properly presented and placed out for collection no earlier than 30 minutes before the scheduled collection times.
17. No deliveries to the premises shall take place between 23.00 and 07.00 on the following day.
18. During the hours of operation of the premises, the licence holder shall ensure sufficient measures are in place to remove and prevent litter or waste arising or accumulating from customers in the area immediately outside the premises, and that this area shall be swept and or washed, and litter and sweepings collected and stored in accordance with the approved refuse storage arrangements by close of business.
19. The approved arrangements at the premises, including means of escape provisions, emergency warning equipment, in the electrical installation and mechanical equipment, hall at all material times be maintained in good condition and full working order.
20. The means of escape provided for the premises shall be maintained unobstructed, free of trip hazards, be immediately available and clearly identified in accordance with the plans provided.
21. The edges of the treads of steps and stairways shall be maintained so as to be conspicuous.
22. The ventilation system to the kitchen area shall be switched off at 23.00 hours.
23. No licensable activities shall take place in the outside area after 23.00 hours.
(b) The operational panel of the noise limiter shall then be secured by key or password to the satisfaction of the authorised Environmental Health Officer and access shall only be by persons authorised by the Premises Licence Holder;
(c) The limiter shall not be altered without prior written agreement from the Environmental Health Consultation Team;
(d) No alteration or modification to any existing sound system(s) should be affected without prior knowledge of the Environmental Health Consultation Team; and
(e) No additional sound generating equipment shall be used on the premises without being routed through the sound limiter device. (MC11 which amends the noise limiter condition on the existing Licence).
B. Conditions imposed by the Committee at the Review with agreement of the Premises Licence Holder
25. No noise
generated on the premises or by its associated plant or equipment
shall emanate from the premises nor vibration be transmitted
through the structure of the premises which gives rise to a
nuisance. (Replaces condition 12 on the
existing licence). (MC12).
26. Loudspeakers
shall not be located in the entrance and exit of the premises or
outside the building. (MC13).
27. All windows
and external doors shall be kept closed at any time when regulated
entertainment and the playing of music takes place except for the
immediate access and egress of persons. (Amended MC14).
28. The premise
licence holder shall ensure that any queue to enter the premises
which forms outside the premises is orderly and supervised by door
staff so as to ensure that there is no public nuisance or
obstruction to the public highway. (MC26).
29. The premises
licence holder shall ensure that any patrons drinking and/or
smoking outside the premises do so in an orderly manner and are
properly supervised by staff so as to ensure that there is no
public nuisance or obstruction of the public highway.
(MC71).
30. The premises
licence holder shall devise and maintain a dispersal
policy. The purpose of this policy
shall be to ensure that there is no public nuisance caused by
customers leaving the premises. A copy
of the premises’ dispersal policy shall be made readily
available at the premises for inspection by a Police Officer and/or
an authorised officer of Westminster City Council. (Amended
MC99).
INFORMATIVE:
The Premises Licence Holder gave an undertaking to comply with conditions specified in paragraphs 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29 and 30 above, throughout the period when the Licence is in operation.
This is the Committee’s Full Reasoned Decision in relation to the Review which does not have effect until the end of the period given for appealing against the Full Reasoned Decision, or if the Decision is appealed against, until the appeal is disposed of.
The Licensing Sub-Committee
23 February 2023
[1] Page 67 of the Committee papers
[2] Page 68 of the Committee papers
[3] Licensing Act 2003 (Hearings) Regulations 2005
[4] Pages 56 to 58 of the Committee papers
[5] Prior to the review the noise limiter condition is number 28 of the existing Licence.
[6] The unamended version of condition MC11 was attached to the Licence at paragraph 24 of the Conditions Schedule.
[7] This condition has been added to the Licence as specified in paragraph 25 of the Conditions Schedule.
[8] This condition has been added to the Licence as specified in paragraph 26 of the Conditions Schedule.
[9] This condition has been added to the Licence as specified in paragraph 27 of the Conditions Schedule.
[10] This condition has been added to the Licence as specified in paragraph 28 of the Conditions Schedule.
[11] This condition has been added to the Licence as specified in paragraph 29 of the Conditions Schedule.
[12] This condition has been added to the Licence as specified in paragraph 30 of the Conditions Schedule.
[13] Secretary of State’s S182 Guidance
[14] See the Chronology of the Applicants on pages 56 to 58 of the committee papers and Mr Watson’s list of complaints on pages 37 to 41 of the Additional papers.
[15] Referred to as condition 8 in the Conditions Schedule attached to this Decision.
[16] The Confirmation of Determination wrongly indicated the noise limiter condition was added to the Licence, when the Committee only amended the condition in line with MC11 as agreed by the PLH. This was error which has been rectified in this Reasoned Decision.
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